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#199256
Early simulations show that next year's Formula One cars will be about two seconds per lap slower due to the ban on double diffusers.

Last year, teams including Brawn, Williams and Toyota stunned their rivals by designing cars with the controversial, larger diffusers. Once the FIA declared the concept legal at the end of a bitter dispute, all the other teams hurriedly introduced double diffusers and then based their 2010 cars on an even more developed understanding of the concept.

But for 2011 conventional diffusers will return, and it is hoped that in conjunction with the major aerodynamic rule changes introduced for 2009, the double diffuser ban will slow the cars and make overtaking easier.

It is exactly one year ago that Red Bull - not one of the original diffuser teams - introduced its first double diffuser at Monaco.

"This race last year was the first race that we introduced the double diffuser to our car and if you compare where it's evolved to today, it's just monumental," Red Bull boss Christian Horner said. "Basic simulation suggests in the region of two seconds, maybe more [can be gained with a double diffuser]. So it's an enormous contributor to performance.

Horner added that a lot of the hard work done by the FIA's Overtaking Working Group to clean up the cars' aerodynamics and promote overtaking in 2009 had been negated by the double diffuser.

"Of course it's had an enormous effect on the work of the Overtaking Working Group because what they set out to achieve was significantly aimed around the wake of the car and obviously the double diffuser has had an enormous impact on that," he said. "It will be a big change and it's going to be an interesting challenge. Engineers tend to be creative people and I'm sure they'll claw back some of that, but it's certainly a significant reduction in downforce for next year."

McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh also said that he thinks the ban will help increase overtaking and believes it should have been brought in earlier.

"I think that one of the challenges that Formula One has always had is to control performance but also to enhance the opportunity to overtake," Whitmarsh said. "I don't think any of us can, hand on heart, say we have the magic formula for that, because if you've got good drivers in good cars on the type of circuits we're at, then it's always going to be difficult.

"But tangentially, if you can reduce the wake of the car, if you can reduce the effect that the wake has on you and you can reduce the aerodynamic downforce then one can imagine that's going to allow the cars to be closer in the first place and hopefully facilitate more overtaking. I think it's a good thing. I think Formula One was a little bit slow, frankly, in prohibiting double diffusers.


Obviously that figure will very from track to track. If i had to guess at how much downforce is going to be lost in terms of a percentage, i'd probably say around 20%... However, if they really want to improve the overtaking problem they need to address the front wings and make them less powerful, because they are obviously one of the components worst affected by dirty air, while at the same time being the single most important aero device on the cars!
#199263
Why not just eliminate diffusers completely?


Good question. :hehe: I guess it's not really feasible due to the nature of the underside of the cars, even if it was a flat floor engineers would try to manipulate the designs to gain downforce as they do everywhere. The issue here is the wake of the cars, the dirty air - perhaps no diffuser at all may have an even worse effect? I'm just speculating really.

I've been saying for AGES that they should just limit wing angles, that would help no end in all areas! (including braking zone lengthening, etc) But i think there comes a point where they still need to keep the F1 cars faster than GP2 and so on, without just sticking 'dangerously quick' engines in the back.
#199264
They should widen the cars as well back to pre-1998 spec. If the cars were wider Button would have easily got past Schumacher on sunday due to the wider car punching a bigger hole in the air thus creating a stronger slipstream effect.
#199265
Why not just eliminate diffusers completely?


Good question. :hehe: I guess it's not really feasible due to the nature of the underside of the cars, even if it was a flat floor engineers would try to manipulate the designs to gain downforce as they do everywhere. The issue here is the wake of the cars, the dirty air - perhaps no diffuser at all may have an even worse effect? I'm just speculating really.

I've been saying for AGES that they should just limit wing angles, that would help no end in all areas! (including braking zone lengthening, etc) But i think there comes a point where they still need to keep the F1 cars faster than GP2 and so on, without just sticking 'dangerously quick' engines in the back.


Agreed. Cutting it down hurts another crucial area in F1. You cannot have it both ways and sadly we know which is the easier way to go.
#199273
Imagine F1 in centuries time when DDD will be a thing of distant memory.


Here's Bernie in the year 3010 as a Cyborg:

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I thought he would of been Dalek-based by then! Exterminating anyone who doesn't like his ideas!


Ah your getting confused with Max
#199284
They should widen the cars as well back to pre-1998 spec. If the cars were wider Button would have easily got past Schumacher on sunday due to the wider car punching a bigger hole in the air thus creating a stronger slipstream effect.

:yes: I couldn't agree more but I fear that things have progressed (maybe regressed is a better word) too much for such a U-turn.
#199291
Imagine F1 in centuries time when DDD will be a thing of distant memory.


Here's Bernie in the year 3010 as a Cyborg:

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I thought he would of been Dalek-based by then! Exterminating anyone who doesn't like his ideas!


Ah your getting confused with Max


Oh yeah! :rofl:
#199805
You can mess around with regulations as much as you want but you can't change the fact that no team wants to see their cars being passed so part of the development will be into how to make the air behind their car as dirty as possible without affecting their own performance and nothing can regulate that.

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