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[racechick]

You know why that is Geet, it's because his errors had more catastrophic outcomes than Rosberg's. He also looses out by Rosberg's error.

Roth, it's exactly as WB says. I've only cast Rosberg as the villain since Monaco. I'm certain the way that was executed it was deliberate, I didn't have him down as that sort of a guy and I guess it was born out of complete desperation at the way Lewis was running away with it. The thing is it gained Rosberg more than just the extra7 points because it took the moment from Lewis to Him. And the fact that that momentum swung on a very iffy move changed my view of Rosberg a little bit. I still think on the whole he's an ok guy but I look at him differently to before Monaco, you know the old saying....once bitten...........

[Roth]

You know why that is Geet, it's because his errors had more catastrophic outcomes than Rosberg's. He also looses out by Rosberg's error.

Roth, it's exactly as WB says. I've only cast Rosberg as the villain since Monaco. I'm certain the way that was executed it was deliberate, I didn't have him down as that sort of a guy and I guess it was born out of complete desperation at the way Lewis was running away with it. The thing is it gained Rosberg more than just the extra7 points because it took the moment from Lewis to Him. And the fact that that momentum swung on a very iffy move changed my view of Rosberg a little bit. I still think on the whole he's an ok guy but I look at him differently to before Monaco, you know the old saying....once bitten...........

Do you think if it hadn't had such an effect on Hamilton you would have seen it differently? I understand you have the whole 'his pain is my pain' thing going on, but if Hamilton hadn't let the momentum be wrestled away you wouldn't think Rosberg quite so dastardly? I feel Hamilton compounded the problem by his reaction. And I know it was an honest reaction but if he'd countered himself a little and taken the moral stance then he would have held some sort of advantage from the situation. He held onto it too long publicly and made himself look worse than Nico who commited the sin. That as much as the move gave Rosberg the advantage. And I'm trying really hard not to use the p word.

[racechick]

You know why that is Geet, it's because his errors had more catastrophic outcomes than Rosberg's. He also looses out by Rosberg's error.

Roth, it's exactly as WB says. I've only cast Rosberg as the villain since Monaco. I'm certain the way that was executed it was deliberate, I didn't have him down as that sort of a guy and I guess it was born out of complete desperation at the way Lewis was running away with it. The thing is it gained Rosberg more than just the extra7 points because it took the moment from Lewis to Him. And the fact that that momentum swung on a very iffy move changed my view of Rosberg a little bit. I still think on the whole he's an ok guy but I look at him differently to before Monaco, you know the old saying....once bitten...........

Do you think if it hadn't had such an effect on Hamilton you would have seen it differently? I understand you have the whole 'his pain is my pain' thing going on, but if Hamilton hadn't let the momentum be wrestled away you wouldn't think Rosberg quite so dastardly? I feel Hamilton compounded the problem by his reaction. And I know it was an honest reaction but if he'd countered himself a little and taken the moral stance then he would have held some sort of advantage from the situation. He held onto it too long publicly and made himself look worse than Nico who commited the sin. That as much as the move gave Rosberg the advantage. And I'm trying really hard not to use the p word.

I'm not sure what the p word is? But you raise good points.

My reaction to the Monaco move was instantaneous. Instant outrage. The same as it was when Alonso parked it in the pits( incidentally that was the trigger for me joining this forum ) and the same as it was when Schumacher parked it . And the same as it was when Schumacher took Damon out. I already didn't like Schumacher. But from those moments there can be no going back to beginning, no pretending it didn't happen.
You're right about the aftermath, Lewis got the worst publicity, but, Lewis is Lewis and cannot hide his feelings. I prefer that to two faced liars or political gamesmen. And the press/ media will always present Lewis badly if they can. Imagine the furore had the roles been reversed.

[geetface9]

I wanna know what this 'p' word is too

[Hammer278]

I can think of so many!!! Tell us Roth!!
Before I use the 'x' word.

[CookinFlat6]

That's probably about right. If he'd been notorious for pulling stunts, like MS, I don't think the stewards would have been so lenient. There's intent in the telemetry and intent in the character. It smacked more of desparation than calculation though, so we can't vilify him for one act. Nobody in modern F1 can compare with MS or Senna for blatant acts of malace.

There you go again with a sweeping statement that simply doesn't hold up. You say we can't vilify aaa driver for a blatant act of malice, then you go on to vilify Senna for basically 1 blatant act of malice. Apart from the crash into Prost ( that he warned everyone about beforehand if the rules were changed on the pole position) what other acts of malice did you have in mind to compare with MS? Senna was an unyielding overtaker and a very hard competitor but acts of malice?

What about when he stopped his car from the lead of a race to go help a crashed driver out of his car? Do we ignore this and vilify him instead?

Maybe we should stick with Lewis' mental disorder

[Roth]

That's probably about right. If he'd been notorious for pulling stunts, like MS, I don't think the stewards would have been so lenient. There's intent in the telemetry and intent in the character. It smacked more of desparation than calculation though, so we can't vilify him for one act. Nobody in modern F1 can compare with MS or Senna for blatant acts of malace.

There you go again with a sweeping statement that simply doesn't hold up. You say we can't vilify aaa driver for a blatant act of malice, then you go on to vilify Senna for basically 1 blatant act of malice. Apart from the crash into Prost ( that he warned everyone about beforehand if the rules were changed on the pole position) what other acts of malice did you have in mind to compare with MS? Senna was an unyielding overtaker and a very hard competitor but acts of malice?

What about when he stopped his car from the lead of a race to go help a crashed driver out of his car? Do we ignore this and vilify him instead?

Maybe we should stick with Lewis' mental disorder

Let's not go down the 'he was this, so he couldn't be that' route. Senna was famously a far more complex character. Like Walt Whitman wrote, 'I am large, I contain multitudes'. But there was a ruthlessness to him that crossed the boundary of ordinary racing. And maybe malice was the wrong word to use but it's not far off. Your description is a sanitised version of the man on track. His disregard for other competitors was legendary. Brundle mentions in the film that Senna let you decide whether you wanted to crash or not, so to a degree he was willing to let other drivers be injured.

And I wasn't comparing him with MS; but certainly since Senna's passing MS is the only driver to come close to his ruthlessness. They're not such an odd couple. They show similar characteristics of believing to be above the sport and having a right to win, a supreme arrogance, but that doesn't mean they will go about it the same way. It's not a one sociopath fits all scenario. Nobody in this era comes close to those two. They were my benchmark for acts of ill intent.

[What's Burning?]

Can't wait for the resumption of this thread over the weekend. You're not in England any more Lewis.

[racechick]

Can't wait for the resumption of this thread over the weekend. You're not in England any more Lewis.

I'll look out for him don't you worry!!!

[RyRy]

Lewis won't have the crowd with him this weekend however I'm pretty confident Hamilton will be on top of his game trying to beat Rosberg and break the German happiness.

I can't remember Hamilton's previous form at this track other than when he got a puncture on the first lap was a lap down and overtook Vettel who was a lap ahead and then Hamilton pulled away while Vettel cried on the radio

[racechick]

I'll shout and wave extra loud!
I think Lewis won here in 2008, his other two German f1 wins have been at Nurbergring. ( I think)
Hokenheim is the track Nico has had most race wins at, he says it suits his style, but he's not won there in F1.
So all to play for gentlemen!!

[RyRy]

I'll shout and wave extra loud!
I think Lewis won here in 2008, his other two German f1 wins have been at Nurbergring. ( I think)
Hokenheim is the track Nico has had most race wins at, he says it suits his style, but he's not won there in F1.
So all to play for gentlemen!!

Can't wait for Sky to mention some crazy British chick goes nuts every time Lewis goes by xD

Hockenheim is one of the best tracks to drive in games, my two favourite tracks are Hockenhiem, Budapest, Abu Dhabi and Istanbul.

I don't want this to happen but I've got a feeling Rosberg will have a car failure.

[What's Burning?]

I'll shout and wave extra loud!
I think Lewis won here in 2008, his other two German f1 wins have been at Nurbergring. ( I think)
Hokenheim is the track Nico has had most race wins at, he says it suits his style, but he's not won there in F1.
So all to play for gentlemen!!

Can't wait for Sky to mention some crazy British chick goes nuts every time Lewis goes by xD

Hockenheim is one of the best tracks to drive in games, my two favourite tracks are Hockenhiem, Budapest, Abu Dhabi and Istanbul.

I don't want this to happen but I've got a feeling Rosberg will have a car failure.

That would be four favorites.

[RyRy]

Lmao, I definitely typed four and Swype corrected to two... not as bad as my calling friend a bad word...

Sent from my Nexus 4

[geetface9]

I wonder how much whinging will happen from each camp about FRIC. If rosberg stomps hamilton it'll be the perfect scapegoat and vice versa