- 01 Sep 11, 00:18#272298
Honestly, what is wrong with one team and driver dominating? It happens in just about every other sport. Think, Tiger Woods, Manchester United, Real Madrid, the Australian Cricket Team, Geelong FC, Mohammed Ali, Michael Phelps, the Yankees (I think? 
) and any other sporting code and league I don't usually care about.
So Manchester United have been dominant - should we dismiss them because they have the most money and the best players and should be more dominant?
Red Bull is a culmination of the best driver available to them, the best engineer available to them, the best pit crew available to them, an innovative marketing genius owner... Yes Vettel is in a good car - but why is he in that good car? Because he proved himself as a very good driver when he was just a kid, and became the youngest driver to join their academy. Combined with his testing for BMW and brilliant, calculative racing for STR - he ended up in an RBR seat. If he wasn't the best driver for them, they would've picked someone else who would drive for them. But since Vettel has done all that is expected of him since he started in that car - considering he could very well be a double world champion already - and just think a triple world champion at 24! But, those are the ifs. By saying Vettel isn't really a great driver is basically a "stuff you" to all the bright, intelligent people at Red Bull who make these decisions.
Red Bull have acknowledged in the past that Alonso is an awesome driver, and we can see proof from this year of why Hamilton shouldn't be a Red Bull. Sure Vettel missed a few opportunities last year, but at the end of the day he still delivered. I can really only count 2 or 3 mistakes Vettel made last year, and about 99 per cent of this forum were busy pointing the finger at him and being all negative. I was very quick to acknowledge when Vettel did not "extract the maximum," but he basically looked set to win every single race last year except, say Monza and Canada. How many mistakes has Hamilton made this year?
Vettel consistently puts in a superb lap in qually, and just watching the onboard you can see he is always looking to extract the maximum from every corner. It is absolutely breathtaking to watch, and I hoping to get a collection of his pole laps to show to my kids one day. Really, the Red Bull isn't all that much faster than McLaren - all it would take is for Vettel to misjudge his braking zone by a meter or so and he'd be on the second row. But the evidence speaks for itself - he is consistently calm and fast, and is always thinking about the big picture of the whole race. The fact that even at STR when Vettel was a teenager they raved about all the technical feed-back he provided, they raved about his determination and mentality, and were certain he would be a force in Formula One. Now he's gone from STR - where are they now? They will struggle to find another Vettel, although I am confident Vergne is the next big thing.
Yes, Newey has been absolutely fantastic for the team. He brought the team from the tail end all the way to the front. It was a project that took quite a few years. And when he had a car that could deliver, the team found a driver pairing that could deliver. Would Red Bull have won the WCC last year if it were Webber and Coulthard?
I am not a Vettel-lamb. I base my opinions on drivers based on what I see and I like. That speaks for itself when I used to be "hammy08" on this site. When I say I like Vergne, I have a reason for it - and I do not want anyone to be pointing the finger at me for being a Vergne-lamb when he rises to the top and also becomes a World Champion. I do not think Ricciardo has it in him, and I feel he could be another Webber. He has some talent and speed - but most young driver have this. But Vergne is blitzing every competition he seems to enter.
In the last week I have also said the same thing about Bruno Senna - who I wrote off last year. Bruno will be a World Champion. He has just shown this week that he has a good amount of speed. The next year or two will be his proving ground.
) and any other sporting code and league I don't usually care about. So Manchester United have been dominant - should we dismiss them because they have the most money and the best players and should be more dominant?
Red Bull is a culmination of the best driver available to them, the best engineer available to them, the best pit crew available to them, an innovative marketing genius owner... Yes Vettel is in a good car - but why is he in that good car? Because he proved himself as a very good driver when he was just a kid, and became the youngest driver to join their academy. Combined with his testing for BMW and brilliant, calculative racing for STR - he ended up in an RBR seat. If he wasn't the best driver for them, they would've picked someone else who would drive for them. But since Vettel has done all that is expected of him since he started in that car - considering he could very well be a double world champion already - and just think a triple world champion at 24! But, those are the ifs. By saying Vettel isn't really a great driver is basically a "stuff you" to all the bright, intelligent people at Red Bull who make these decisions.
Red Bull have acknowledged in the past that Alonso is an awesome driver, and we can see proof from this year of why Hamilton shouldn't be a Red Bull. Sure Vettel missed a few opportunities last year, but at the end of the day he still delivered. I can really only count 2 or 3 mistakes Vettel made last year, and about 99 per cent of this forum were busy pointing the finger at him and being all negative. I was very quick to acknowledge when Vettel did not "extract the maximum," but he basically looked set to win every single race last year except, say Monza and Canada. How many mistakes has Hamilton made this year?
Vettel consistently puts in a superb lap in qually, and just watching the onboard you can see he is always looking to extract the maximum from every corner. It is absolutely breathtaking to watch, and I hoping to get a collection of his pole laps to show to my kids one day. Really, the Red Bull isn't all that much faster than McLaren - all it would take is for Vettel to misjudge his braking zone by a meter or so and he'd be on the second row. But the evidence speaks for itself - he is consistently calm and fast, and is always thinking about the big picture of the whole race. The fact that even at STR when Vettel was a teenager they raved about all the technical feed-back he provided, they raved about his determination and mentality, and were certain he would be a force in Formula One. Now he's gone from STR - where are they now? They will struggle to find another Vettel, although I am confident Vergne is the next big thing.
Yes, Newey has been absolutely fantastic for the team. He brought the team from the tail end all the way to the front. It was a project that took quite a few years. And when he had a car that could deliver, the team found a driver pairing that could deliver. Would Red Bull have won the WCC last year if it were Webber and Coulthard?
I am not a Vettel-lamb. I base my opinions on drivers based on what I see and I like. That speaks for itself when I used to be "hammy08" on this site. When I say I like Vergne, I have a reason for it - and I do not want anyone to be pointing the finger at me for being a Vergne-lamb when he rises to the top and also becomes a World Champion. I do not think Ricciardo has it in him, and I feel he could be another Webber. He has some talent and speed - but most young driver have this. But Vergne is blitzing every competition he seems to enter.
In the last week I have also said the same thing about Bruno Senna - who I wrote off last year. Bruno will be a World Champion. He has just shown this week that he has a good amount of speed. The next year or two will be his proving ground.
#5 Vettel!
